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It isn't a new bug; what they're reporting is that the patch which was supposed to fix an already-publicly-disclosed bug doesn't fully fix it.


Can you help me understand this? They're complaining about a bug in the patch implementation and the patch implementation did not exist prior to the patch; ergo, if Google didn't patch the code, they wouldn't be able to write the article.

Is that not a new bug almost definitionally? Please help me understand if I am incorrect.

I understand the underlying issue which was first reported did not get patched properly, but, if someone found a bug in the heartbleed patch today and disclosed it immediately with the original patch date as justification, I would imagine many would be screaming bloody murder.


Keeping it secret wouldn't have been very useful. The original issue was already well-known, and seeing the severity and media-exposure of the bug, it is very possible malicious actors studied the patch and independently found out about the problem that came with it. At this point, it is better to let the public at large know they are at risk than let the skiddies have fun with this pseudo-0-day.


This is a grey area. Not everyone is going to agree.

For example, if some email client can cause arbitrary command execution by adding a malformed email as CC, like nobody@file:///calc.exe or something, vendor patches it, then the workaround to use the exploit again is nobody@file\:\ / \ / \ /calc.exe , I don't consider that a new bug and doesn't deserve the same grace period for disclosure, IMHO. Now, if it turned out that the email client's ability to show embedded images in the message-body and setting the metadata in a PNG to "file:///calc.exe" caused the calc program to run... I think that IS a new bug and does deserve another grace period because its "point of entry", rendering a PNG and processing its metadata, is very different from parsing the email to/from/cc/bcc fields.


The bug is not new after the patch. The patch just failed to fix the original bug.


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I'm not a Google apologist and I don't appreciate your tone. I'm attempting to orient myself so that I can think about what is right and wrong with respect to responsible disclosure in a clear and coherent fashion.


As stated elsewhere, the original bug was reported in April and not publicly disclosed until July. The issue here is that the patch did not sufficiently remove the flaw. This gets to the crux of the debate on what is "responsible" disclosure. One would assume that the patch would be studied by legitimately malicious attackers and presumably they would independently realize the flaw still existed and continue abusing it. By stating that the flaw is still present the public at large can make educated decisions about their handling of MMS messages instead of assuming everything is fixed when in fact it is not. The flip side is now that less capable malicious attackers will also be made aware. And so the endless argument continues.




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