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Been working 3 months at my first job and this realization hit me. I enjoy spending time with my coworkers but is it all in vain?


The vast majority of all friends you meet tend to fade away. It isn't that you aren't friends anymore, it is that life has pulled you in different directions. It may help to realize that if you were put back in a work/school/whatever situation, you'd almost certainly enjoy each other again.


No, it’s not in vain. But in order to build a relationship that’s permanent, it needs a strong anchoring in non-work things. If everything is just about work, then once that shared experience is gone the relationship will be too.

Flip side, you don’t have to be besties with your colleagues. Enjoying time with them while you’re colleagues is an end upon itself. You’ll statistically have about a dozen jobs in your life, which’ll bring in close to 100 colleagues into your life. Chances are you can’t and won’t remain friends with all of them, and that’s ok too.


Do things outside work! You can make friends on the job, it makes the days so much better. If you believe the workplace is a big contest for who's best, it probably will be. But, in my experience, if you treat every new job like you would have starting a new school year, you can make real friendships.


It's not in vain. The opinions of your coworkers can greatly influence your ratings. Even if your output is stellar, the only way to get promoted is to have people like you.


No, but you have to put in a lot of extra effort to be friends with them outside the context of work or else the context disappearing will give you no established excuse to hang out.

It's not impossible to do, I know plenty of people who make real friends at work. But it takes intent to make it work like any human relationship, invite them to dinner, go to movies, play video games, etc. Go overboard to get over the activation barrier but be selective because you can't do that with two dozen people at once.


No, not in vain. If you enjoy it, it's for enjoyment. Just don't think they are your close friends. They are working with you and are nice to you because it's more enjoyable for everyone involved. Be nice to them too, but just don't expect big favors.


If you want to be pragmatic with these relationships - these are now connections. If you're in your early career and so are they, the odds of you all staying at this job are very low. Even if the friendships don't last, this is the start of a network that can possibly help get you in the next door when you're looking for a change.


Nah. Two jobs ago had wonderful people and we still regularly meet up for drinks (despite the company being a load for shite to work for).

Next job was a lot more family people and we rarely went for drinks together. I am not really in touch with them any more (perfectly nice people but the bonding never happened).


Of course, the family people probably were friends with each other.


Everyone at family company was friendly at lunch, it's just the we didn't socialize after work at all (well a couple of times). The younger company regularly went drinking together.


Are you sure the ones with kids weren't doing playdates and things? I feel like there's often a gulf between people with and without kids.

Of course they didn't go drinking, they had to get home to take care of kids. Or, like me, they don't drink. They might still invite over other families to go hiking or camping or maybe even know other parents from school.

Not saying that was necessarily happening, but now that many more of my friends have kids (I don't) I see them do this all the time. They can't really hang out without a way to distract their kids. Board game nights are much more likely to connect than drinking.


Not that I was aware of. The age groups of the children were different and a lot of them lived outside of the city.


Actually, let me put it this way. If you are relying on your employer to provide opportunities to make friends, you're shifting responsibility for maintaining relationships from yourself to your employer.

I don't think that's a good idea. When people elsewhere on this thread have commented that back in the day people's main opportunity to make friends was at work, they didn't mean that work gives them opportunities actively but rather that it gave them personally the opportunity to personally create a relationship with a coworker.

Agreed? There's a huge difference between the relationship you create by inviting a work friend over to your home for dinner and video games (or going to a bar even) and the relationship created by the "team" going to a "team building activity" together. Don't rely on work to provide the context to make a friend, but it's fine to rely on work to provide an opportunity to make a friend.

Within reason and assuming good actors, etc. I probably wouldn't share every detail of my personal life with work-friends and certainly older generations did not. I suspect the two are related; you have to be more guarded with work friends because social vulnerability can be very risky in a work environment. My mother didn't talk about her disability with work-friends much, only the work-friends she'd invite over for dinner. I share about my condition much more because I want and expect even "just" work-friends to understand and accept my limitations. The story I hear is that it didn't use to be at all safe to be vulnerable like that with colleagues.


I am not saying its anyone's responsibility, it was just an observation between two different workplaces.


First job friends are my closest work friends, especially since most of us relocated for work. It's kind of closer to friends you made in college, because it's a transition period to bond over.


You need to learn, from experience, that "friends" and "colleagues" are two different categories. Both of them useful, but each in a different way. And some people can belong to both categories, but that's an exception, not a rule.

Good colleagues are very important. They are the people you are going to spend with half of the time when you are not sleeping. You will spend more time with them than with anyone else, including the people who live with you. So how you interact with them can make your days pleasant or miserable for the following few years.

Even after you leave the job, if you stay in contact (like, having a lunch together once in a year), you can give each other good professional advice, recommend good jobs, and provide a reference. That can make a big difference, too.

So it is definitely NOT "all in vain". However...

The fact that you spend so much time together and face the same problems, this will all instantly disappear the very moment you leave the job. (It may also evaporate gradually if they leave the job sooner. This part is completely outside your control.) So leaving the job means losing it all, but staying in the job is not a guarantee of keeping it. Better not to get attached. (Being attached also weakens your negotiating position against your employer.) This is the opposite of friendship, when you expect your friends to be there for you especially when you face important changes in your life.

Friends, you choose freely. Colleagues, you get randomly assigned. It is important to be able to have good relationships with people you get randomly assigned. But this is completely different from friendship, where you choose people depending on how much you click with each other, and on the potential for the relationship to grow. If you find out that someone is only capable of a shallow level of friendship, you recognize they are a waste of time, and you replace them with a better friend. When the person happens to be your colleague, you continue to be polite to each other, understanding that this is the level you can't get beyond, but it is still valuable to keep this level. You have different expectations for friends and colleagues. With friends, the relationships start organically, and they grow over time. With colleagues, the relationships start artificially, and they mostly remain at the same level. With friends, you have an emotional connection; you take risks and make yourself vulnerable, in hope of making your connection deeper. With colleagues, you behave professionally, in hope of staying at the same level indefinitely.

(Now, there are situations like having a beer with your colleagues after the work, or a teambuilding organized by your company. They blur the lines; in case of teambuilding it is intentional brainwashing. Don't get confused. Relax and enjoy the situation, but don't forget that you have actual friends outside your work who are not with you now; remember to get in contact with them later.)

Sometimes, you accidentally get randomly assigned a colleague who is actually a friend material. Someone, who you would become friends with, if instead you would have met somewhere else; someone whom you would remember and try to meet again. If the feeling is mutual, great. But it is easy and perhaps tempting to overestimate this. You will probably find the true answer only after you (or the other person) leave this job.




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