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Lessons from Operation “Denver,” the KGB’s Aids Disinformation Campaign (mitpress.mit.edu)
94 points by anarbadalov on May 26, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments


Title nit: "Aids" should be "AIDS"


Unfortunately, some style guides (e.g. The Guardian) use lower case when the acronym can be pronounced as a word rather than read out letter-by-letter.

CIA but Nato.


Just wanted to write the same thing... after wondering why the phrase about who aided the KGB's disinformation campaign didn't make sense...


it was! no idea how it got changed to "Aids"


Aids is not wrong. [1]

> However, our style is to use lower case with an initial cap for acronyms where you would normally pronounce the set of letters as a word (eg Aids, Nafta, Nasa, Opec, Apec).

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/en/articles/art201307021121335...


It seems weird that this overrides the actual messaging from the groups themselves. NASA calls themselves NASA, not Nasa. English orthography is so removed from pronunciation that it seems quite arbitrary and useless to rework it for one specific case.

Also, it is irrelevant because this is the MIT reader press, not the BBC,and it is literally "AIDS" in the article title. BBC has their own standards. They don't set the standards for every article written in English.


The real reason is likely HN's broken auto-capitalization system.


I feel like it makes no sense to do this for AIDS seeing as it's already a word, with a different meaning


Newspaper writing styles can be strange. The New Yorker, for example, is probably the sole user of diaereses for commonly-known words.


To save others like me the trip to wikipedia, here's a snippet of wikipedia that explains what saagarjha is alluding to:

[Diaereses are] now far less commonly used in words such as coöperate and reënter except in a very few publications—notably The New Yorker [..]


Huh.

So when you wrote that comment, was TFA's URL a BBC link?


>"A cycle of misinformation and disinformation arose in which the KGB cited U.S. conspiracy theories, and U.S. conspiracy theorists, in turn, began to cite texts associated with KGB disinformation."

Forgive me -- but... that's hilarious! <g>

Bridge of spies? More like bridge of lies...<g>

Reminds me of a quote I have long since forgotten:

"The borrower runs in his own debt"

-Ralph Waldo Emerson

This whole thing is akin to two students, students A and student B, where student A is copying student B's answers on a Math (or other) Test, while student B is simultaneously copying student A's answers, but neither one knows that they're copying each others answers -- which were originally from themselves! <g> (it makes no sense (how was the original answer originated, fractal recursion, 0 becoming 1 after an infinity of recursive iterations?) -- but apparently that's what happened! <g>)


The 1991 article "Cancer Warfare"[1] by "Richard Hatch", is interesting in this regard.

Extensively footnoted and appearing erudite and informed, it examines the National Cancer Institute's (NCI) Viral Cancer Program (VCP) - "launched in 1971 with great fan­fare as part of Nixon’s War on Can­cer" - concluding that:

> While Nixon ordered a sup­posed end to BW offen­sive efforts in 1969, the Cen­tral Intel­li­gence Agency retained a secret BW and tox­in weapon capability.43 Giv­en this record of decep­tion in the U.S. BW pro­gram, the Viral Can­cer Pro­gram may well have used the search for a cure for can­cer as a cov­er to con­tin­ue its exper­i­ments on bio­log­i­cal war­fare.

(the footnote "43" refers to: Church Com­mit­tee Report, “Unau­tho­rized Stor­age of Tox­ic Agents” Vol. 1, pp. 189–99. )

Along the way, it sidles almost up to the notion of lab created HIV:

> One of Bio­net­ics Research Lab­o­ra­to­ries’ most impor­tant NCI con­tracts was a mas­sive virus inoc­u­la­tion pro­gram that began in 1962 and and ran until at least 1976, and used more than 2,000 mon­keys. Dr. Robert Gal­lo, the con­tro­ver­sial head of the cur­rent U.S. AIDS research pro­gram at NCI and its chief of its tumor cell biol­o­gy lab­o­ra­to­ry, and Dr. Jack Gru­ber, for­mer­ly of VCP and then NIH, were project offi­cers for the inoc­u­la­tion pro­gram. The mon­keys were inject­ed with every­thing from human can­cer tis­sues to rare virus­es and even sheep­’s blood in an effort to find a trans­mis­si­ble can­cer. Many of these mon­keys suc­cumbed to immuno­sup­pres­sion after infec­tion with the Mason-Pfiz­er mon­key virus, the first known immuno­sup­pres­sive retrovirus,31 a class of virus­es that includes the human immun­od­e­fi­cien­cy virus.

[...]

> Exper­i­ments per­formed under NCI con­tract includ­ed many dan­ger­ous viral inoc­u­la­tion pro­grams, like the pri­mate inoc­u­la­tion pro­gram run by Gal­lo and Gru­ber.. So-called “species bar­ri­ers” were rou­tine­ly breached in efforts to find or cre­ate infec­tious can­cer virus­es. Virus­es native to one species were inject­ed into ani­mals from anoth­er species in hope of trig­ger­ing can­cers.

When I first heard of the disinfo program covered in TFA, I immediately thought of this article, which I first read in the mid 90's. I still wonder how much of its content is diligent journalism and how much is high quality disinfo.

1: http://spitfirelist.com/news/cancer-warfare/ from Covert Action Information Bulletin 39, Winter 1991-92


I still remember that one. Trouble with these "disinformation" campaigns is that when your entire "news" is disinformation people don't trust it and learn to read between the lines. And the Soviet people were experts at that by then, so almost nobody believed this bullshit. People would jokingly say it was invented in a CIA lab, but at that point just about any other calamity was reported to have been created there as well, so nobody gave this any credence. This effect was so profound that to this day "invented in a CIA lab" is used only as a joke. Remember, this was during the years when Russian magazines unironically wrote that "black workers in Harlem get paid in heroin" and other ludicrous stuff like that. Coincidentally, this reminds me of the stuff I read about Russia in US press today.


> Trouble with these "disinformation" campaigns is that when your entire "news" is disinformation people don't trust it and learn to read between the lines. And the Soviet people were experts at that by then, so almost nobody believed this bullshit.

My understanding is that the the ultimate goal of disinformation isn't get get people to believe the lies, it's to politically neutralize them by making them cynical and mistrustful of everything, including the truth.


There's no such thing as "truth" really. What gets reported through "official" channels is always in accordance with someone's agenda. You may agree with that agenda, but that doesn't make the reporting "true" in any sense of the word. Nor does disagreeing with the agenda make reporting automatically completely false, although people tend to perceive it as such.

Soviet people knew some version of the "truth" though, from reading between the lines. When all the news is fake, "citizen journalism" naturally arises, and it did in the Soviet Union. There was always the "official" version of events that everyone knew was a lie and the "unofficial" one that you'd hear from e.g. your relatives near to where the events took place, or, if events took place abroad from Radio Svoboda or Voice of America on the shortwave (naturally, with corrections for _their_ propaganda). From that you can build up a fairly accurate version of what's really going on, if you care. Americans are only now learning this skill, I was "born in it, molded by it".

To give you a concrete example, people knew about the real extent of Chernobyl well before the Central Committee of the Communist Party decided it was necessary to tell us the _sanitized_ version of the news. We did not know why it blew up until years later, but we knew it _did_ blow up pretty much the next day. We also knew firefighters were dousing an open reactor core without any protective equipment, that stuff could leak into the river and poison Kiev, etc, etc. All in spite of KGB's very best efforts to conceal the facts, and its near unlimited power.


> There's no such thing as "truth" really. What gets reported through "official" channels is always in accordance with someone's agenda. You may agree with that agenda, but that doesn't make the reporting "true" in any sense of the word. Nor does disagreeing with the agenda make reporting automatically completely false, although people tend to perceive it as such.

Let me put it another way: there are agendas that are more helpful to you and your people and agendas that are more harmful; the people who put out disinformation have the goal of making it harder for you to tell the difference.


well, similarly - recent news articles on the State Department concerns few years back about safety in the BSL4 Wuhan labs which conducted coronavirus "gain of function" research (my non-professional understanding - trying to make virus more deadly and virulent in order to research whether it can become more deadly and virulent) pretty much achieved in my brain the same effect wrt. China/coronavirus what "Denver" was trying to achieve back then wrt. US/AIDS.


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"The majority of HIV researchers agree that HIV evolved at some point from the closely related simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), and that SIV or HIV (post mutation) was transferred from non-human primates to humans in the recent past (as a type of zoonosis).[citation needed] Research in this area is conducted using molecular phylogenetics, comparing viral genomic sequences to determine relatedness. "

from wikipedia. Matches what I understand. So, not originating in a slum then.


Also from Wikipedia: Genetic studies of the virus suggested in 2008 that the most recent common ancestor of the HIV-1 M group dates back to the Belgian Congo city of Léopoldville (modern Kinshasa), circa 1910. Proponents of this dating link the HIV epidemic with the emergence of colonialism and growth of large colonial African cities, leading to social changes, including a higher degree of non-monogamous sexual activity, the spread of prostitution, and the concomitant high frequency of genital ulcer diseases (such as syphilis) in nascent colonial cities.


> Proponents of this dating

It is mentioned as a possibility, not a fact(as you originally stated it)


The 1920's West Africa origin hypothesis is the one best supported by the phylogenetic data. That would support the hypothesis that the virus was spread through prostitution, facilitated by the high incidence of genital ulcers (syphilis &c).


Ok, you clearly believe in it. But the wider scientific community isn't so sure.


The iatrogenic hypothesis remains an outsider opinion: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3376824/


throwaway_pdp09's comment starts with "The majority of HIV researchers," so also doesn't claim to be a received fact but a possibility (what in science does?)

I'm not sure why that means that the possible effects of colonialism on disease shouldn't be discussed.


I'm not sure why that means that the possible effects of colonialism on disease shouldn't be discussed.

It's obvious, isn't it? When you discuss public health issues it quickly becomes apparent that your own good health isn't just a result of individual choices, a large amount depends on the environment, that is on politics. That's a dangerous path that leads directly to questioning the status quo, and the political elites that profit from it can't have that.


I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed. I'm saying that OP opened his post by stating "The irony is that the virus originated in a Kinshasa slum..." as if it is a fact or at least a generally accepted viewpoint, and not merely an opinion of some researchers but not others.


Do you think prostitutes and migration originated with state capitalism?


There is this common pattern that industrialization is accompanied by urbanization and disruption of rural social networks. You've got young men moving to rapidly growing cities, and of course there's a market for the sex trade with that. You could see this in England and Germany. The Belgian Congo was orders of magnitudes worse. I think it's a tenable position.


This makes as much sense as saying slavery exists because the Earth formed from space dust.


Not really. Traditional societies are often better at providing basic economic security to their members than market economies, so the members of those societies will reject the market in favor of their own social structures.

When someone like a colonialist wants to introduce the market economy to an area organized into traditional societies, he has to first undermine and destroy those societies, so their people have no choice but to participate in his market as a laborer or else starve.


Those people had to deal with starvation, disease, warfare, and cannabilism constantly. This is not an opinion there is archeological evidence showing the percentage of people who died violet deaths https://slides.ourworldindata.org/war-and-violence/#/1

A really good book on this is by Steven Pinker from Harvard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Natur...


That is a rather rose colored view of traditional societies (of what exactly - treating all traditional cultures as homogeneous as opposed to roughly technologically analogous is itself deeply disrespectful exoticism), are they agrarian? Pastoral? Hunter gatherer?

The claims are ignorant of actual the colonial processes, history, and economic earlier resource extractive/cash crop and early how industrialization actually works including a conflation of market economy with enclosure of the commons or control of the food supply to remove subsistence options.


You have it backwards - the rural disruption lead to the industtialization enmasse. Given what it took for rural populations be "sustainable" and not urbanize that isn't neccessarily a bad thing either.


> The Covid-19 pandemic has provoked a wide range of lurid conspiracy theories in countries whose governments are hostile to the United States, notably Russia, China, Iran, and Venezuela... authoritarian regimes have exploited widespread public fear and confusion to generate suspicions about U.S. motives, to stoke hostility toward the United States, and to discredit the U.S. government’s sincerity in combatting the global pandemic.

With Trump tweeting "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" in support of the armed anti-lockdown group who shut down the Michigan statehouse and its lockdown efforts, I think the so-called "authoritarian regimes" have more to "exploit" regarding "the U.S. government's sincerity in combatting this global pandemic" than just "widespread public fear and confusion".




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