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A strategic tip: he doesn't care that he's prejudiced, so showing he's prejudiced doesn't do much.


What can he do before you determine that he has justification in his purely qualitative preference? Let a man fuck him in the ass?

Your position is not just unrealistic, it is out of sync with how the other 8 billion humans on the planet operate.


I really don't know how you came to any conclusions about "my position", given I did not actually state a position on this.


the way your response was phrased implies to readers that you agree with the accusation of prejudice.

if that was not intended, my apologies.

an agreement of the accusation of prejudice would imply a lot about your beliefs


I don't know why I'd form an opinion on whether he's prejudiced--I'm not particularly interested in classifying people based on arbitrary divisions, especially when they're pendantic dictionary definitions that include archaic meanings of the word. I'm more interested in discussing people's beliefs and behaviors.

Two situations have been mentioned in this thread:

1) coming across two men kissing in public, and

2) you seeing a morbidly obese person naked.

I honestly have no interest in classifying either you or the GP as prejudiced or not prejudiced for your feelings in either of these situations. What I'm more interested in is:

1) Can you regulate your emotions and behave reasonably in these situations, and

2) What underlying beliefs cause you to feel some kind of way about these situations in the first place.

To be frank, I think it's childish to be unable to regulate your emotions in these situations. Context of course matters--if someone is trying to force you to look at these things, that's not okay. But that's not what's happening in the vast majority of cases. In the vast majority of cases, if you come across men kissing in public, or a fat person naked in a locker room or bathhouse, those are just people going about their lives and if you have some negative feeling about that, that's very much your problem. It's not their problem, and it's not the problem of the legal system.

To be clear, your purely qualitative preference is 100% not anyone else's problem. I don't care what your purely qualitative preference is, but I do care that you're making it other people's problem.

People will really talk about how they value freedom and make fun of "snowflakes" for getting "triggered" and then those same people will want to restrict gay or fat people from doing the same things as straight or thin people so they can avoid getting triggered. It's childish in a literal sense, like a kid crying because they're mad that it's raining. Sure, you can not like the rain--that's valid--but at a certain maturity level we can expect that you will regulate your emotions enough to not lose your shit about situations where you can have no reasonable expectation that things will go the way you prefer.

The reason your beliefs matter is because people like me are willing to teach you how to regulate your emotions. Part of how you regulate your emotions is by questioning the beliefs that cause you to feel what you're feeling. For example, you seem very concerned about the absurd possibility that someone might expect you to (in your words) "let a man fuck [you] in the ass". I'm sure you can find some fringe weirdo who wants that, but I am very confident that nobody in this conversation is interested in coercing anyone into anal sex, or any sort of gay activity for that matter. The only thing I want from you in relation to gay people is for you to treat them with the same kindness and respect that you (ostensibly) treat anyone else with. Maybe if you were a little less irrationally terrified that a gay guy would try to have sex with you, you'd be able to regulate your emotions about gay people a bit better.

And... I'm not fat positive by the way. I think the science is pretty clear that obesity is a serious health issue. I just don't see any rational reason to leap from that to insisting that fat people are ugly and gross. Do you go out of your way to tell people with lung cancer that you're not attracted to them?


> by questioning the beliefs that cause you to feel what you're feeling

I think one oversight is that you presuppose this.

My beliefs in this case counter my feelings. I have nothing but warm regards, in belief, for dudes that want to kiss dudes. And I've gone to gay events, pride, gay nightclubs, made gay friends, worked with gay peopke, done all the things to normalize it in my mind and the negative feeling from watching homoerotic activity doesn't hamper this or stop me from enjoying my time with these people.

In this case it's not belief driving feelings, it is a negative feeling I get counter to my beleif that I just have to overlook. I don't see this as a 'problem' as you put it. For all I know it is some genetic drive my ancestors had that lead to my genesis. I have no reason to believe it is maladaptive.


Half the ancestor comments have been flagged out of existence, so I have no way of reminding myself of what was said, but my memory was that you said something which pretty much no gay person needs to be hearing. There's not some sort of accounting where you go to a gay event and then you get to make X number of shitty comments about gay people online. This is basically the "I have a black friend so I can't be rascist" thing.

Your feelings may be acceptable, but it's not necessarily acceptable to share every acceptable feeling you have with everyone. There are plenty of people I meet on a day to day basis that I'm not attracted to, of many genders and sexualities, and that's fine. But I've never once felt it necessary to tell one of those people that I'm not attracted to them, and doing so would be pretty rude and inconsiderate. If my memory of the flagged comments is correct, that's basically what you did. Sure, your feelings are fine, you don't really control those. But did you have to share them on the internet where they might hurt people who read them?

I don't want to blow this out of proportion. In the grand scheme of things, this isn't that bad and I don't think you need to be like ostracized from society or barred from holding positions of power or something. People make mistakes and this isn't a big one. But I do think it is a mistake.


Why did I have to share my feelings? Fuck your dystopia. I've done nothing wrong.


I'm not saying there's not any appropriate context for sharing these feelings.

I'm saying that you should consider what effect sharing your feelings will have before you do it, and I think if you considered anyone other than yourself here, you wouldn't share these feelings here.




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